As some of you already know I sent a message to Mike Matei some time ago

Harry

Hey Mike, here is some fan art I made

This is not intended to offend anybody, it is just picking on James for selling out useless stuff

If you have some spare time you can also check out the 2 videos that inspired me making this picture

eBay Is Good. Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg_s1uKN6tA

eBay Is Good. Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1W4zwJVWG0

Mike Matei

Dude, my penis pump sells for $900 not $600. Come on. Everybody knows that.

Harry

Dammit, must have gotten the facts from irategamer.com

Mike Matei

Ah no wonder the facts were wrong!

Harry

UH YEAH, YA THUINK?!!

Anyways, will you put up the fan art?

I am a fan of AVGN so I consider it as fan art, even though I am bashing James with it

I appreciate if you decided not to put it up

Mike Matei

I think it's funny. But other people might take it the wrong way.

Mike Matei

Hey, after you sent me the links to your youtube, I checked out some of your other videos and I wanted to write to you. I just watched this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn4RErIm3rQ

And wow, that was great. It's nice to see someone who's so versed in this whole fiasco. I had heard the radio interview a while back with Bores on that show. But I had no idea you contacted the hosts first. And I also didn't know they interviewed you afterwords. So, that was great man. Thanks for doing that.

The part that really caught me is when you talked about Chris being in his protective bubble. And you thanking the hosts for calling him out. Because that's exactly what was going on.

You were also right about James. He doesn't care about the whole thing. He never has. He just likes to make his videos and does his own thing.

I however, being his friend, do care about it. Because I don't like seeing some fuckface rip off my friend. So, I'm just letting you know that I appreciate that you did all that, to call Bores out. I mean, listen to the fucker in that interview when they ask him about his TMNT video. He doesn't even know what to say. "Well, uh... uh... silence......"

It's aggravating to me that he could ever even have 1 fan though. How can people just overlook plagiarism? I guess that's YouTube for you though. It IS filled with mostly kids that don't know any better.

Onto another subject, about the picture that you drew. I do think it's funny and I'm thinking about putting it up on the site actually. I'm not sure though. Some people could get the wrong idea and that's not something I want to deal with really. Maybe I could put some kind of caption below it. I dunno.

I understand the view point on us selling things on ebay. Like lets say, if we sold Bugs Bunny's Crazy Castle and got 90 dollars for it because it was signed by James. But that game on ebay would normally sell for what? 5 bucks?

Personally I look at it like this. It's more of a donation to the show type of thing. Like, if a fan wins a game in an auction from us, that money goes back toward the show. Either towards more video games for future reviews, computer equipment, camera equimpment, or whatever stuff is needed to produce more videos.

Also, at the same time, we sometimes get e-mails from people asking us to sell stuff. So there IS a group of people out there who want the stuff. And if we have a duplicates of some games and can sell it to a fan who will enjoy it, and then in exchange, get money back that we can use towards the show, then why not?

And I can guarantee all that money goes towards stuff for the show too. In fact, we go through it pretty quickly buying games and shit for the show. Some of these games are rare and expensive. And honestly, that money doesn't even go that far. I have spent a small fortune, out of my own pocket on equipment and games for the show.

Now, as far as me selling title cards. I don't see anything wrong with that either. I'm not the only artist out there who's selling their original artwork. Go to Ebay and type in "original comic art". It's not like I'm the first guy doing this. So I don't see any reason I can't sell my original art to the fans who might want it.

You might me thinking, why the fuck is Mike sending me a long email explaining this shit? Well, You did after all make some videos referring to it. And your drawing, while being a joke, did kind of make me feel like maybe we were doing something wrong. I'm the last person in the world who'd want to be shady like that, and take peoples money. But again, like I said, I see no reason why I can't sell my drawings to fans who might want them. So I just thought I'd tell you my thoughts on that manner.

And not to keep this e-mail going any longer than it already has. But I just clicked on this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn4RErIm3rQ

Ah, that was a good laugh. Thanks

Best,

Mike

Mike Matei 

the second link was supposed to be this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v:PN7rnq35Z18

funny shit.

Harry

Thank you Mike but there's a little misunderstanding

I am not actually the Archfiend, I'm only his (independent) artwork maker

But it doesn't really matter because I can send the message to him

Just because it fits in this topic, I also made some fanart bashing the Irate Gamer

You might wanna check those ones out

http://www.theawesomearchfiend.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=53484633

and

http://www.theawesomearchfiend.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=53484809

Greets, Harry

____________________

Yeah, he actually thought I'm the Archfiend by the way, but that's not what matters

If the formating of this topic is fucked up; I will fix it soon

My response to, Mike:

Hey Mike,

Just wanted you to know that Harry, my free-lance website artist, forwarded me the message you wrote him.  Seems you may have thought that, Harry was me but I assure you he isn't.  Since you took the time to write out a long letter I feel it is proper for me to return that sentiment. 

So let me spell out a few things as I feel there is still a misunderstanding.  Let me start off by saying that James' work is some of the most entertaining stuff I've seen on all the Internet and TV forthat matter.  His original reviews are epic and I being the same age,minus a year or two, can relate well to his opinions of growing up withthis or that game.  Hell, we grew up a few towns apart in NJ so thereis a local favoritism I have for him as well.  I buy all the Nerd DVDs and have told many about him. On top of that, it was my appreciation for the product that James made with the Nerd that made me feelinsulted when Irate Gamer dropped his plagiarizing ass on the scene andmade it an easy decision for me to blow up that turd's spot.  Recently though, my liking of AVGN and what you guys are doing has wavered. 

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate any of you, far from it actually.  I just honestly feel what you guys are doing is, if anything, ethically and fiscally irresponsible.  Here's what I have a problem with.  Now I don't knock you guys for the investment that you put into the show as I am sure it can be pricey.  But one thing I fail to have sympathy over that for is that you guys just brush off all the profit that comes inwhile acting like this "struggling band" type of entertainment.  You make it sound like you guys operate at a bare bones profit when you have to be kidding yourselves if everyone is just going to buy into that. 

Cinemassacre.com alone gets over 120,000 views a day and that is no secret as that info can be found on any of many stat tracking websites like CubeStat.com.  The ad revenue ALONE from a site with that kind of traffic will range from $300 to $800 A DAY.  And if James isn't making that much a day then that is one of the biggest mismanaged websites with that much traffic.  Is that not enough to completely offset production costs, payroll and buying "rare" games?  About the "rare" games that you mentioned... how many of the games that James reviewed would be considered "rare"?  Maybe 10.. 15 at the most?  I'd say the vast majority of the games he reviewed are no where near rare nor are they items that you can't find at a flea market for any more than $2. I know because I see them at the flea markets in this area all the time.

Now granted, I'm not claiming to know all the financial working of everything nor would I expect James to tell you what he pulls in be itin DVD sales, Spike.com, Cinemasscre.com, hat sales, shirt sales, making new nerd episodes for ScrewAttack, etc.  BUT when you look atthis as an outside observer you have to say, "boy these guys really gota good thing going and must be making a nice profit."  And yes I know that alot of the shit sold on ScrewAttack pads their pockets more than James'.  By the way, I look forward to the day James leaves that site and takes the show to his website so that ScrewAttack can realize that they are barely anything without the man that made them the relevant semi-juggernaut that they are.  But that's besides the point.

Next, we see you guys selling random shit on eBay.  Here's why this bothers me.  Yes other people do it.  Yes fans may want the stuff.  Yesit is a nice chunk of change that can go towards new episodes.  But is it necessary at all?  Could these items not be given to hardcore fans that come out to conventions?  Aren't those the most deserving fans anyway since they actually physically come out to see you guys in person?   But yeah, that's just me I guess.  I can deal with a fan art or two but when it gets to the point that James is hocking a broken Attari Jaguar with his autograph on it that sells for several hundred dollars.... yeah.  That really comes off as being a whore and/or desperate.  Do you guys REALLY need to stoop to such a low level to sacrifice self image to many fans over getting some cash that isn't even necessary for the show?  Come on.  I give you guys more credit than that.  And you guys are BETTER than that.

That is why I have been treating all this as somewhat of a joke with a serious message in it with he two videos I made about the eBay sales. If I really hated you guys then you would have known about it by now. I just plead that you guys knock off this lame shit because more than just me are seeing this as desperate pathetic-ism.   And just because others are doing this like, The Nostalgia Critic, doesn't mean you guys have to sink to that level as well.  You guys have a ton of respect and I hate to see you diminish it over something this petty. 

Maybe I'm just over-reacting as my nature of being is a lot different than yours.  I'm the guy made my website, much like James did, out of my pocket and had no intentions to make a dime off of it just because it can serve as a forum for my fans to enjoy.   Hell, I'm the guy that made a t-shirt and REFUSE to take a profit on it as I see someone wearing a t-shirt of mine as free publicity and it is in no way right to profit off one volunteering to be a walking bill board for you.  I even give the shirts away for free to some of my fans with the cost coming out of my pocket.  Why do I do it?  Because I have made thousands of dollars in my YouTube partnership from my fans that sit down and watch my videos on YouTube.  Would I like the extra revenue I could get off those shirts if I marked them up above cost?  Of course I would.  Could I sell stuff I used in my videos on eBay and make way more than what it was worth originally?  Of course I could.  Do I? No.  Will I?  Never.  Why won't I?  Because I care more about keeping a firm self image that my fans appreciate and never call me a; sell-out, whore, beggar, money grubber or anything in the like or between.  THAT image is something that money can't buy.  And I dare you to find a single fan of mine that will use those words associated to me.  I know I can find more than a few of James' fans that can associate those words to what you guys are doing.

Just my honest opinion as a long-time die hard fan turned "meh".

Take care and thanks for the compliments on my videos.

Arch.

Hey Mike,

Just wanted you to know that Harry, my free-lance website artist, forwarded me the message you wrote him.  Seems you may have thought that, Harry was me but I assure you he isn't.  Since you took the time to write out a long letter I feel it is proper for me to return that sentiment. 

- Yeah, I thought that was you. Didn't realize it was someone else.

So let me spell out a few things as I feel there is still a misunderstanding.  Let me start off by saying that James' work is some of the most entertaining stuff I've seen on all the Internet and TV for that matter.  His original reviews are epic and I being the same age, minus a year or two, can relate well to his opinions of growing up with this or that game.  Hell, we grew up a few towns apart in NJ so there is a local favoritism I have for him as well.  I buy all the Nerd DVDs and have told many about him. On top of that, it was my appreciation for the product that James made with the Nerd that made me feel insulted when Irate Gamer dropped his plagiarizing ass on the scene and made it an easy decision for me to blow up that turd's spot. 

HAHAHA 

Recently though, my liking of AVGN and what you guys are doing has wavered.  Don't get me wrong, I don't hate any of you, far from it actually.  I just honestly feel what you guys are doing is, if anything, ethically and fiscally irresponsible.  Here's what I have a problem with.  Now I don't knock you guys for the investment that you put into the show as I am sure it can be pricey.  But one thing I fail to have sympathy over that for is that you guys just brush off all the profit that comes in while acting like this "struggling band" type of entertainment.  You make it sound like you guys operate at a bare bones profit when you have to be kidding yourselves if everyone is just going to buy into that. 

- If we've acted that way, perhaps that's wrong. I don't exactly remember when, we've acted that way though. Can you tell me when we did that exactly? Because I'm really not sure. We do have to buy most everything ourselves though. Unless a fan donates something. But usually we'll end up needing stuff that a fan hasn't donated. So most often, the cost of production comes out of our own pocket.

Cinemassacre.com alone gets over 120,000 views a day and that is no secret as that info can be found on any of many stat tracking websites like CubeStat.com.  The ad revenue ALONE from a site with that kind of traffic will range from $300 to $800 A DAY.  And if James isn't making that much a day then that is one of the biggest mismanaged websites with that much traffic.  Is that not enough to completely offset production costs, payroll and buying "rare" games? 

- Normally, you'd be right. However, what you don't know is that James has gone through a sort of Web nightmare. And it hasn't been until recently he's actually started making money on it as opposed to losing money. Without going into every detail, he moved around to a few different servers, and they were sending him outrageous bills for 1-2 thousand dollars a month. That's been sorted out now though. Finally. So yeah, it was very VERY mismanaged for a long time. We're slowly getting all that in order. Neither of us are good at website shit.

About the "rare" games that you mentioned... how many of the games that James reviewed would be considered "rare"?  Maybe 10.. 15 at the most?  I'd say the vast majority of the games he reviewed are no where near rare nor are they items that you can't find at a flea market for any more than $2.  I know because I see them at the flea markets in this area all the time.

- As far as rare games that he's reviewed so far on the show, you are 100% correct. There hasn't been that many. At the same time, you really don't know the amount of games we've bought for potential future episodes. (and just for background purposes). The fans have probably donated about 1/10th of the NES collection. The rest has been all us. A lot of those games go for 5, 10, 20, 30, 40 dollars. And there's like 800+ NES games. Right there, thats A LOT of money thats gone into JUST the NES collection, out of our own pockets. Not even speaking of all the other systems/consoles. Will he review every single one of those games? Probably not. But it is a show after all, and I'd like to think that by having all that stuff in the background makes the room all that much more impressive to look at. We've been doing this for what? 4 years now or something? And he's reviewed a lot of games now. HOPEFULLY, he will get to a large chunk of these eventually. I don't need to explian to you that these episodes take some time to make. So we can only review games so quickly. I certainly hope we can get to as many of them as possible in time.Also, there's still groups of hardcore game collectors out there that look at the room and say "meh I've got more then that".  And if we're trying to put over that the AVGN character is this super crazy gamer guy, then we kinda need that room to look like he's got more games then anyone else. Now sure, in the early days of the show, he didn't have that many games and it didn't matter right? Well, even back then we would have LOVED for it to look like it does now. And I think that having the room, have so much retro-gaming stuff in it, adds a lot to the viewing pleasure. (in my opinion)In fact, back during the early episodes, I actually gave James all of my video games and systems (because he only had like an nes a genesis and a few games at the time, I'm talking 2006 here).  I did that because the room looked barren, and he didn't look like very much of a gaming nerd with only a few games. And it's just escalated from there..

Now granted, I'm not claiming to know all the financial working of everything nor would I expect James to tell you what he pulls in be it in DVD sales, Spike.com, Cinemasscre.com, hat sales, shirt sales, making new nerd episodes for ScrewAttack, etc.  BUT when you look at this as an outside observer you have to say, "boy these guys really got a good thing going and must be making a nice profit."  And yes I know that alot of the shit sold on ScrewAttack pads their pockets more than James'. 

- Sure, he makes money from all that. The DVD, Gametrailers ext.. I see what you're saying though. Like, instead of James selling some games and stuff (duplicates) that he doesn't use to fans, he should just give them away as gifts to the fans. See, our thought was that by selling some of this stuff, that we could get money that would go back into the show. And it has. Again, the costs of a lot of this stuff are sky high. Like, right now we want to get the last 7 or 8 nes games that James doesn't have. But they're like 1000+ dollars each. As just one example, we're trying to get those NES porn games like Bubble Bath Babes ext.. And if we got them, I know James would do a video on them. So by fans giving money, we're more able to afford some of this stuff. I mean, this is a conversation that can really just go around in circles. I do see your point though, and I think that you're right. To a degree. What you don't know is the exact costs of stuff. (like you said) But I think that we should at some point give some stuff away to fans for free, like you said. And at the same time, I think we should also continue to sell stuff to help fund the show.

By the way, I look forward to the day James leaves that site and takes the show to his website so that ScrewAttack can realize that they are barely anything without the man that made them the relevant semi-juggernaut that they are.  But that's besides the point.

Next, we see you guys selling random shit on eBay.  Here's why this bothers me.  Yes other people do it.  Yes fans may want the stuff.  Yes it is a nice chunk of change that can go towards new episodes.  But is it necessary at all?  Could these items not be given to hardcore fans that come out to conventions?  Aren't those the most deserving fans anyway since they actually physically come out to see you guys in person?   But yeah, that's just me I guess. 

- No, you're absolutely right. I think we should do that. I just think we never thought to do it before. Our thought process was more, "lets sell stuff, so we can have more money to buy what we need to make more videos". But now that you're bringing it up, I totally agree.

I can deal with a fan art or two but when it gets to the point that James is hocking a broken Atari Jaguar with his autograph on it that sells for several hundred dollars.... yeah.  That really comes off as being a whore and/or desperate. 

- I can see that. Honestly, never really considered that.

Do you guys REALLY need to stoop to such a low level to sacrifice self image to many fans over getting some cash that isn't even necessary for the show?  Come on.  I give you guys more credit than that.  And you guys are BETTER than that.

That is why I have been treating all this as somewhat of a joke with a serious message in it with he two videos I made about the eBay sales.  If I really hated you guys then you would have known about it by now.  I just plead that you guys knock off this lame shit because more than just me are seeing this as desperate pathetic-ism.   And just because other are doing this like, The Nostalgia Critic, doesn't mean you guys have to sink to that level as well.  You guys have a ton of respect and I hate to see you diminish it over something this petty. 

Maybe I'm just over-reacting as my nature of being is a lot different than yours.  I'm the guy made my website, much like James did, out of my pocket and had no intentions to make a dime off of it just because it can serve as a forum for my fans to enjoy.   Hell, I'm the guy that made a t-shirt and REFUSE to take a profit on it as I see someone wearing a t-shirt of mine as free publicity and it is in no way right to profit off one volunteering to be a walking bill board for you. 

- I agree with that. James probably hasn't thought about it that deeply. And also, he has a lot of people up his ass to sell stuff. So he can kind of be backed into a wall on some of this stuff..

I even give the shirts away for free to some of my fans with the cost coming out of my pocket.  Why do I do it?  Because I have made thousands of dollars in my YouTube partnership from my fans that sit down and watch my videos on YouTube. 

- You're lucky at least in that respect. You at least have gotten money from YouTube. To date we have gotten ZERO dollars from them. The only reason we continue to post there is because we have so many subscribers..

Would I like the extra revenue I could get off those shirts if I marked them up above cost?  Of course I would.  Could I sell stuff I used in my videos on eBay and make way more than what it was worth originally?  Of course I could.  Do I?  No.  Will I?  Never.  Why won't I?  Because I care more about keeping a firm self image that my fans appreciate and never call me a; sell-out, whore, beggar, money grubber or anything in the like or between.  THAT image is something that money can't buy. 

- You know what though. If you make something yourself, why shouldn't you be able to sell it? People always give you a hard time whenever you want to sell ANYTHING. God forbid anyone sells anything. I understand what you're saying, but I also think some of these people should get the sticks out of their asses. If someone sells something, nobody's forcing them to buy it. If you don't want it, then don't buy it. There ARE some people out there would would like to buy products of their favorite shows. I see no reason why YOU or anyone else can't sell something they made without having to be called "sell out" ext..

Honestly, right now, if you put a video on your channel that said you were going to sell Archfiend T-shirts. I would never, Ever even consider going to your channel and being like "SELL OUT!!" - Like, who does that? I think some people have some serious issues when they do shit like that. You want to sell a t-shirt? So sell a t-shirt. Like who gives a shit you know?

And I dare you to find a single fan of mine that will use those words associated to me.  I know I can find more than a few of James' fans that can associate those words to what you guys are doing. Just my honest opinion as a long-time die hard fan turned "meh".

Take care and thanks for the compliments on my videos.

Arch.

- Anyway, after all that all I really have to say is, I think your idea of giving some stuff away to fans for free is a great idea. And I hope that we can find a venue to do that soon.

Best,

Mike

**UPDATE 10/25/2011**

This is the FINAL message that Mike sent me.  I never released it until now -

Thanks ,Mike. I may not agree with everything like the need to want to make theroom look impressive with all the games since the earliest game reviews barely came off like that and are the most classic and best Nerd reviews. 

- I think a lot of those early videos like Double Dragon, McKids, Master Chu, ext.. really suck. Those videos are less then 5 minutes long. They were done very quickly, and are pretty shotty reviews in comparison to the depth they go into now. A lot of the early videos are very incomplete, done quickly and overall pretty crappy.

Look at Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. He didn't even review it. Look at TMNT, he barely talked about 1/4th of the game. There's so much more to it. Look at Back To The Future, he didn't even get past the cafe. Honestly, I think the majority of those early videos are pretty poor as far as reviews go.

I think they just seem funnier/better because the concept of the show was new and exciting at the time. Where as now, you pretty much know what the show is. But as far as the quality of the reviews, I think they're a lot better now. We spend more time on it now, and cover a lot more of the game. Usually.

And forget the episodes with theatrics. I'm not talking about those either. Which by the way, are not my idea. I do not particularly enjoy dressing up in costumes. I can not stand looking at myself on camera, even behind a mask. I prefer the standard reviews myself. But I respect that it's James show, and if/when he wants to do that kind of thing, I'm glad to help him do it.

But anyway, compare the earlier videos to something like Godzilla, Plumbers Don't Wear Ties, Super Pitfall, Little Red Hood. My opinion is that they're better, more complete reviews now. But again, that's all open to debate.

I think maybe 1% of the audience really cares about the sizeof James/AVGN's game collection.   I'm just glad we could share this dialogue here and come to agreement on some things.

- Well, who knows how many people care about the background. I care though. And I think it's an important part of it. Like I said, if we had the choice, it would have been nice to start the show off from the beginning with a huge gameroom.

One thingabout the YouTube money thing is why haven't you guys made/tried for partnership or have you? 

- We have tried to partner with youtube. They don't want to and never explained why. They've basically just been assholes to us.

And why stay on ScrewAttack?  Are you guys aware that Cinemassacre is significantly larger in traffic to that site?

http/www.cubestat.com/www.screwattack.com

http/www.cubestat.com/www.cinemassacre.com 

Areyou guys locked into a long term contract that you can't get out of?  Imean, why stay on a site that is banking off you guys being on it?  Whygive them a cut of the sales revenue in T-shirt, DVD, Hat, etc. whenyou could just sell all of it from James' own site and get a larger stream of traffic to it?  It really doesnt make much sense to stay there in my opinion. 

- Screwattack takes care of the merch, like selling the DVDs. That is a full time job and we don't have time to do it ourselves. They have a staff of people that can handle it. So they take care of all that. That's why its been good to stay with them. They do all that and we don't have to worry about it.

But I understand if you don't want/can't discuss the specifics as to why you stay there.  I assume part of it has to dowith how you get the Nerd episodes on GameTrailers.  But in all honesty, is that more attention than the episodes would get on YouTube? 

-Like I said, Youtube doesn't want to partner with us. They never have,and they probably never will. Yes, we actually spoke to people atyoutube about it. And of more recently, they've gotten stricter about game footage I hear. So I don't see that ever happening. Ideally, Youtube would be the best place to get videos seen. But they basically just give us a big middle finger. So that's why we need to go to other sites.

I know you guys would be losing money from not getting paid by Screwattack/GameTrailers but would that loss not be offset by just releasing the episodes on say Cinemassacre.com and then maybe a few days later on Youtube?  The ad rev alone on Cinemassacre would skyrocket. 

Well, that's how it worked out for now. Like I said, it hasn't even been until just recently that we've made any money off ads, because of the crazy amount of money they were charging for bandwidth and shit on the other server.

As far as getting ad revenue if the nerd videos were on cinemassacre.. the nerd videos link to screwattack and they pay for that. Things may alter in the future. We'll see.

I always had a gut feeling that you guys may be holding off on reviewingcertain games like ET or Action 52 to save them as a big set of reviewsto do on James' website or where you go IF you leave ScrewAttack.  Justmy hunch though.

- Nah, thats not the case at all. Action 52 will probably get done sometime next year. Only reason that hasn't been done is because there are 52 games and it would probably end up being a multi-part video. I can assure you, that is one that will be made though. As for ET, I can't really discuss that. But it has nothing to do with saving it, in case we ever decided to put the nerd videos on cinemassacre or anything like that.

And another thing. NEITHER of those games are going to make good reviews in my opinion. Yes, they both suck. But action 52 is divided into a bunch of different short games. Which isn't going to give much to say for each, since they're so short and simple. And as far as the game review of E.T. - everyone already knows everything. We do have a unique idea, which should make that video at least interesting. (no it does not involve me in an ET costume) But the game review itself, there's really not a lot that can be said that hasn't been said already. So just the fact that people want to see those videos, is retarded to me. Because there are literally thousands of other games that are far more interesting to be made into videos.

Anyway, those are a few thoughts and some free advice.

Later,

Arch.

- Thanks again! I appreciate it

Eh, quality videos require a big quantity of money and its not like they're pressuring people into buying their stuff. Supply and demand, the fans want it so they're gonna have it. And it's very unfortunate to hear about their failed YT partnership because they are one of few channels that post REAL original content. Anyways, I think you're acting a little bitter over the situation Arch, and Mike seemed respectful and good-hearted in his replies as well as James always being a humble person.

Mike Matei and ArchFiend's response is cool, but Archfiend,  challenge you to a pull up challenge, will you accept or decline?

They are in fact have their own challenge to theirself.

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